WHY IT'S VITAL THAT THE TIMBERS ARMY SECTIONS REMAIN GENERAL ADMISSION

19 Jul 2012 10:51 AM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)

Think back to your first experiences in the Timbers Army.

Did you buy a ticket somewhere else in the stadium, look over to the North End, say to yourself "That looks like a lot more fun" and wander over to investigate?

Did a friend bring you to your first match and squeeze you in among other folks who introduced you to our songs and traditions?

Did you migrate from one section to another for your first couple of games trying to find a "home" with folks who fit your idea of what mental and barmy is all about?;

Or did you head to the 200 sections where the pace is a bit slower and elbow room is easier to find?

And once you found your "home" in the North End, how many friends did you bring along to share what is one of the most unique experiences in world soccer?

What is the one thing that all of those things have in common? General Admission.

General admission is part and parcel of who and what the Timbers Army is about: freedom, movement, sharing and spreading the love, and making new friends and connecting with old. And the 107ist board is unanimous in our assertion that general admission is essential to creating the atmosphere that has been the talk of MLS since our first moments in the league.

The Timbers Army grew out of a communal experience that has been fostered and fueled by the loose, democratic, and very-Portland vibe that comes with general admission seating. You're part of a big tribe but have your own tent that pitches up in different places for different matches. You meet new people at every game. You're Timbers Army and you have an infinity of brothers and sisters. And all of that would be at risk or outright finished if the North End were turned into just another assigned-seating area.

Many questions have recently been raised regarding why we have kept general admission vs. reserved seating in the Timbers Army section. And the leadership of 107ist has been working on ways to ease many of the frustrations that have arisen with the increased crowds in the MLS era.

There are also many questions to be asked about what would happen if the Timbers Army went to a reserved seating section. We’ve come up with a quick FAQ that we think might be of help when considering your position on general admission seating in the Timbers Army section.

Q: Where will I be able to get seats?

A: The lower bowl has 1,944 seats by our last count and the Timbers Army sections hold roughly 5,000. The Timbers front office has stated that if they do move to a reserved seating section those with priority will have first crack at the tickets. Priority is code for how long you’ve had your season tickets. To put this very plainly if you didn’t purchase your first season tickets until the MLS era you’ll likely be in the upper 200s with the ability to move down only coming when other season ticket holders in the lower 100 levels opt not to renew.

Q: Will I get to sit next to my friends?

A: Given that the section is completely sold out unless you purchased season tickets at the same time, the chances are slim.

Q: Will this eliminate lines to get into Jeld-Wen Field?

A: Yes. However there are consequences to this. Think about what the rest of the reserved seating sections in the stadium look like in the East, West, and South before the start of the match. Likely most of the North End would also show up at kick off or just after creating large holes in the crowd in the North End, directly affecting the Timbers Army’s ability to create the most intimidating home crowd in MLS.

Q: What happens if I get tickets next to someone I don’t like?

A: Given that the section is completely sold out your options will likely be very limited. This means the “choose your own adventure” aspect we have long enjoyed will be eliminated. Right now if you don’t like where you are seated you can move anywhere you want. That won’t be an option with reserved seating.

Q: Are there other general admission sections at other stadiums around the league?

A: Yes, but nothing to the scale of what we have in Portland; however most supporters groups are pushing for their sections to be changed to general admission because they feel that assigned seating hinders their ability to grow andbecause of many other reasons the 107ist board has cited such as personality differences, atmosphere and so on. In fact there are many groups in England pushing hard to have the all-seated stadiums converted back to safe standing terraces due to the effect it has had on the atmosphere of the stadium. In fact simply Googling the phrase “effect on atmosphere of all-seater stadia” is quite depressing.

Q:Why is the 107ist board concerned with this now?

A: We are receiving telling signs that the Timbers Front Office wants to move in this direction and feel it’s important that the Timbers Army as a whole understand all the implications of (cut) a vote for (cut) reserved seating. We don’t want what has happened in places like Toronto or Philadelphia to happen here and feel that not only is it dangerous to meddle with the most intimidating atmosphere in the league but see it as a poor business decision for the Timbers Front Office itself. Ask yourself this question. If your reserved seats were near the top of the 200 section how likely would you be to renew? If you had a chance to acquire tickets in the lower bowl how much of a premium price would you be willing to pay for those seats?

Q:How would assigned seating affect the actual game-day experience?

A: Many tickets to the lower bowl will be available only through scalpers on the internet or outside the stadium. They will charge a greater premium for those seats than they charge now, and they will sell them to fans not used to what the Timbers Army experience is like. Do you wave flags or hold up two-sticks? Do you stand the whole match? Do you jump and clap and sing for victory? How would you like to explain all of that to someone who purchased an assigned lower bowl ticket from a scalper and feels entitled to sit quietly and watch the match without noise or obstruction? How would you like less singing, less tifo, less Tetris, less mental, less barmy? That's all in jeopardy with assigned seating.

Q: Will the prices change?

A: It's common sense to assume the 100 level would be pricier than the 200 level.

Please consider all of this if you are asked about reserved seating in the TA section. It may seem a good idea in the short term, it may mean you don't have to worry about getting in line hours before kickoff to be with your pals, but the overall atmosphere and experience of Timbers matches will be diminished. And if you wanted a lesser experience you could simply move to Seattle.

There are already 15,000-plus reserved seats at Jeld-Wen Field, and it's a hell of a job to get the people who are in them to participate and support the team loud and strong for 90 minutes. There is no doubt that the imposition of assigned seating in the Timbers Army sections of the stadium will result in pockets of the North End becoming just as stale and complacent as the east and west stands.

DON'T LET THE TIMBERS ARMY TURN INTO THE

LIBRARY OR THE FREE-DONUT BRIGADE!!!

SAY NO TO RESERVED SEATING IN THE NORTH END!!!


Comments

  • 19 Jul 2016 8:59 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Zim says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Maybe the minority here but I’ve had season tickets since USL days and have been singing ever since, but I can’t get to the games early enough for 100 level seating. I was there when this started and now I have to give my seat up to bandwagon folks who only sing because it’s a scene. Reserved seating might let a few old die hards back into the joy.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 8:59 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    stevetothekizzo says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    A solution for you Zim would have been to get season tickets just to the west of the TA section. My buddy did that. He still gets to wave flags, show up a few minutes before kick off, and sit in section 100.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:00 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Blerg says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Im in the same boat Zim. Season tickets somewhere else aren’t the solution because of the waiting list. No one is giving up their seats.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:00 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Garrett Dittfurth says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    @Blerg

    As a season ticket holder you have priority on the waiting list. You call your ticket manager and tell them you want to move. They call you as seats open. The solution is not to make parts of the Timbers Army look more like the west side.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:00 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Alpha Wilson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 10:16 am

    I’m not a 107ist or a season ticket holder, what can I do to help? Um, wait…Answer: Join 107ist, right? :-)
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:01 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:58 am

    @Alpha Wilson

    Simply emailing the FO and explaining that you would be interested in ever buying ST, or, as a potential STH, would prefer it remain GA would be enough.

    ticketsales@portlandtimbers.com
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:01 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Joaquin Gutierrez says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    @Michael Pearson

    And tweet
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:01 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Patch Perryman says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    @Alpha Wilson

    Bingo.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:02 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Martin Fisher says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 10:20 am

    The University of Oregon has spent the better part of the past 17 years making the same mistake. They’ve reduced student seating at both football and basketball, and as a result what were once intimidating venues are now shadows of their former selves. The success of the programs have masked the decline in atmosphere, but it’s there, and it’s marked.

    A good example is men’s basketball. Mac Court used to be an insane gym, full of stories of the backboards rocking and the scoreboard swaying (all of which happened, I was there). Students occupied the entire lower bowl except for the section behind the benches (so, 3/4 of the lower bowl). The result was an “in your face” blast of volume and insanity that actually had an impact on the game.

    During the 1994-95 season, when basketball started having some legitimate success, the AD starting roping off the upper seats in the lower bowl because the students would stand and block the view of the old people who suddenly started showing up and sitting in the lower part of the middle bowl. Over time, the student seating was done away with completely and, in its place, a tiny section was set aside and the students were given a nickname – “The Pit Crew” – to appease them with a false sense of importance. Generations of UO students have come and gone believing that “The Pit Crew” is somehow part of a great student experience and made Oregon basketball (before it moved into its current soul-less palace) intimidating.

    The Timbers are going to make the same mistake. Just like the student seating at Mac Court was worth at least six points every game and was responsible, in no small part, for a handful of wins (again, if you think fans can’t actually win games for their teams, you understand neither fandom nor sport), the TA is clearly a significant factor in the Timbers ability to perform well(ish) at home. Move the TA to where they can’t be a factor in order to fill seats with higher-paying customers and, over time, the venue will lose its aura and, eventually, attendance will decline along with the team’s home-field performance.

    The Timbers WILL ultimately regret such a move. I’m feeling a little “Battlestar” coming on – “this has all happened before, it will all happen again.” Sigh.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:02 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Danny says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    @Martin Fisher

    Totally agree with you, with a different perspective.

    I graduated from Gonzaga in ’07, which only means that my freshman year was the last year of the old Kennel before the new and current Kennel was opened for the ’04-’05 season. There was a lot of pressure to make the whole lower bowl into season tickets, and limit the student sections to just behind the baskets. The school didn’t cave though because they realized how important it was for atmosphere (and TV value. Timbers have the same thing… we get more TV games b/c the networks like to show our atmosphere), so they kept half of the lower bowl for students, which for the size of the GU student body was plenty. However, with that said, and while the atmosphere there is awesome and can get insanely loud, the reason I mentioned that I got to see the last season in the old Kennel is b/c of the fact that it was so packed in, and so small (2K, maybe 2.5K) that one whole half of the Kennel was students, with no stadium seating so it was walls behind the baskets. It was hard to get good seats, and we were packed in like sardines on benches (which is important… new Kennel has individual seats), but everyone went nuts the whole game. I still have never been to a stadium/arena that was that loud… ever… and it was like that every single game. Either way, Gonzaga is really hard to beat at either place, but basically impossible at the old Kennel. My 4 years there we only lost 1 home game… and it was more because of suspensions and turmoil in the team (players caught with drugs) than anything else.

    Point is that GA makes a difference. Waiting in line for your tickets and your seat makes a difference. And once you are in your seat, waiting 90 minutes for the game to even start MAKES A DIFFERENCE! Don’t throw it away for convenience. Please. It makes a difference for your overall experience, and it makes it better for the team too.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:03 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Blerg says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 10:31 am

    It is worth saying that if you cant get to the game several hours early, your GA seats are going to be sad. You’ll probably get stuck next to a bachelor party from Vancouver
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:03 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Keirnsy says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 10:33 am

    What conversations and who prompted the writing of this post? Electronic warfare, I want email addresses. Or is it just bullshit to get the people whining about standing in line to shut up?
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:04 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Garrett Dittfurth says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 10:36 am

    @Keirnsy

    A season ticket holder survey was just sent out asking who wants reserved vs. GA.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:04 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Craig says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 10:57 am

    I’ve done my best to light the signal torches among the Army-folk I know about this email. Seriously this kind of thing shouldn’t even be discussed, let alone entertained. GA is the only way for the Army. Period.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:05 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    matt says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:02 am

    The issue of the experience is very real, and I’ve been attending matches for years before the MLS era and have had my TA season ticket for both seasons of the MLS era.

    I am for a reduction in the area designated TA or GA and the response from the 107ist board highlights my growing frustration with the self proclaimed organizers and front office approved “generals” of the TA.

    I am tired of being told what an “appropriate” Timbers viewing experience should be.

    I cheer for our boys till I’m hoarse. I will keep being an STH. But this mentality of “if you don’t do what we say, stand for four hours, allow me to crush you in between my five buddies who just showed up, (no matter what row or section you’re in), suck it up when you’re blasted with sulphur and green smoke, or even criticise us for any reason you should just go to reserve matches or aren’t TA or don’t support our boys” is pure crap.

    I pay very very hard earned money for my tickets and its none of your damn business what i do with them or how I choose to enjoy a match.

    Neither the 107ists nor the TA (who is supposed to be made of blokes like me, supporters) own the North End.

    I like GA seating. I like viewing from 104 or being in 108, moving around, etc…

    But i don’t like the taunting of “if you’re not standing you’re not Rose City”, (of myself or anyone else), i don’t like ten people crammed into the space of five seats, i hate the green smoke and that my kids are afraid to come because it triggers my older boy’s athsma.

    None of these things make for a pleasant day at the pitch. And have nothing to do with my passion for the game or support of our boys.

    If the 107ists are so concerned about inclusion and a positive experience they should stop this propaganda and bully pulpit tactics of “if you’re not with us, you’re against us.”

    I’m FOR the Timbers. When I root I root for them. When they play I watch them and cheer for them and pay money to be at Jeld Wen to cheer them in person.

    To say “sit somewhere else” implies that you have a say in what i do with my seat I’ve paid for, and you don’t.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:05 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Blerg says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    @matt

    +1
    This
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:06 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Matt,

    You absolutely have the right to that view. However, I can assure you, that many of the aspects you enjoy appear to enjoy about the TA section will die. No tifo. Fewer chants. More sitting. No flags. No moving around and enjoying the view from other seats. Less opportunity to bring friends and family in on the fun.

    If the TA section without those things is still acceptable to you than that’s your right.

    For me, the whole point of having a supporters section is to have those things. To take ALOT of good with, for me, with a little bit of bad, is a sacrifice I’m willing to make. If you’re not or you have different values, again that’s you’re right as a ticket buyer. I am not you. But I think you’ll find many of the things that are unique to the Timbers Army section will disappear and the atmosphere and game day experience will mirror much of the other sections in the stadium at best, rather than the heartbeat it currently is.

    107ist was formed to try and keep and protect the culture of the TA. That culture for me, and I believe most people that sit in the Army, includes many of the attributes that come with GA seating. You can hate on them if you disagree, but, I believe they speak for the majority in this case.

    If you look to other supporters groups, you’ll find one of the number one impediment for them in taking themselves to the next level is the presence is reserved seating boxing them in, or, being their section. It increases friction with fans who don’t want to participate. It allows chants to die. It inhibits opportunities for tifo.

    You may not like many things about the current set-up, but ask yourself why you are buying a TA seat over a 109 seat. Or a 112 seat. Or a 214? If its just the price, then sure, you are probably for this (inevitable price increases notwithstanding). If its because you like soaking up that atmosphere, even it it seems a little repressive at times, I’d ask if you are really willing to give that completely up. Because frankly, that is what will happen.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:06 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Chris says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    @matt

    non-Portland fan dropping by just to say it doesn’t sound like a supporters section is the best place in the stadium for you and your family to enjoy a game.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:06 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Ryan says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    +1, thumbs up Matt. agree with all that. i want to enjoy the game my way, whether its in 108 or in 111. don’t tell me what i have to do to be a timbers supporter! the TA is not what it used to be… and it never will as an MLS team and all the bandwagoners that want to show up, the sooner you all realize that the better.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:07 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Jeremy Wright says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    @Ryan

    Who is telling you what to do? If you stand in the Timbers Army section, you should expect certain things. If you sit/stand in 111 you can expect a different experience.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:07 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Andy says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    @Ryan

    I’m tired of reading about “bandwagoners”. The MLS team isn’t even two seasons in and they’re not exactly good.

    The TA’s fun as hell to watch a game. It’s not your private club. The whole function of the Army is to support the team. Guess what? New fans are the best possible thing you can do for any sports team in any league.

    In response to Matt – I don’t know what issues you’re personally having. If people are giving you trouble or making fun of you, that’s rude and they should stop. That said, the green smoke is part of the Army. The throngs of people are part of the Army. You didn’t pay for YOUR seats, you paid for Gen admin seats. Everyone around you paid the same as you, and most of them know that sitting in the Army involves smoke, tight quarters and the occasional Tetris chant that lasts a little too long and involves getting run over. You’re sitting in the designated section for those kinds of things to happen and it’s not going away anytime soon.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:08 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Craig Hill says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Matt,

    Thanks for presenting a differing opinion, even if it’s one I disagree with. The problem I have with your logic below:

    “To say “sit somewhere else” implies that you have a say in what i do with my seat I’ve paid for, and you don’t.”

    That’s true. But by that same logic you’re also advocating taking away what everyone on here is up in arms about. If you reduce the amount of GA space, it’s already only a quarter of the stadium (5,000 seats out of 20,000). There are 15,000 other seats you can sit in, many of them close to the Army or away from smoke bombs, that you can pay for. If the number of GA seats gets reduced even by 1 section, that means roughly 800 fewer Army-folk at every match. 1 less capo, and a quieter North End.

    If you don’t like smoke bombs, cursing, what-have-you, that’s cool. And that attitude you’re talking about “what is really TA” is a problem with some people, without a doubt, but that’s really a different issue in my opinion. The 107ist is an open board that takes criticism and allows all voices to be heard. Voice your concerns with them. You’re a dues-paying member, and that empowers you to make your voice and opinion heard. And they’ll listen. But an email like this, in my opinion, was necessary to explain that there’s more at stake than just making some of the North End seated. It will affect other aspects of what I think is the best game day experience in American sports.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:08 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Blerg says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    @Craig Hill

    Just here to say that it isn’t easy to move. The waiting list is “7000”.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:08 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Garrett Dittfurth says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    @Blerg

    No it’s not. As a season ticket holder you have priority over the waiting list of 7,000. You call your ticket manager, say you want to move, and as people don’t renew your ticket manager calls you and says they have seats. Then they go down the list.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:09 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Blerg says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    @Garrett Dittfurth

    I am aware of how it works. They just haven’t been able to seat my family with myself.I am aware that as a family of 9 we are asking for a lot. And I am not saying the popularity is a bad thing. But I cant be the only one with the problem. And I cant be the only one who never gets to sit in the 100 level of GA.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:09 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    EtG says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Blerg,

    Have to ask, why did you buy tickets in the TA to start with if you didn’t want the issues that come with standing/chanting/smoke adults who drink and get a bit crazy/getting there early if you want a front row seat? Were you new and unaware of what to expect so just bought in sight unseen? Otherwise it sounds a bit like those people who buy a home underneath the flight pattern of an airport and complain about the noise.

    Before last season when I was looking at possible moves, there was a block of about 15 seats over in 122.

    As a more general comment, I have to say I hear a lot of people here wanting all of the good things that come with GA/TA (ability to move around, intense experience, singing, standing) but have some pet peeve (smoke, flags, popped collar immature 22 year old fake fan next to them, having to show up early if they want the best seats) and would rather flush the whole thing down the drain because of their pet peeve. Would they really feel any better if their assigned seat was section 202, Row U and they had that same popped collar dude next to the ALL season?

    Unintended consequences people.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:10 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Craig Hill says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    @Blerg

    If you wanted to move, you do not go to the end of the line of 7,000 to do so. It may seem intimidating to have that number of 7,000 out there, but I know some friends who were in the Army who moved their tickets within weeks of requesting due to having kids and experiencing a similar issue. They’re now in 110. Seriously, within weeks (granted it was at the end of last season, but still). There is plenty of demand around the stadium to move around year-to-year (at least it would seem that way).
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:10 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Blerg says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    @Craig Hill

    I am aware of how it works. See above. I am sure we will eventually be moved. But isn’t the issue “if you dont fit in then just move”?
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:11 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    joe oneill says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    @matt

    Ridiculous sentiment. You should probably stop coming to games.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:12 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Simon says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    @joe oneill

    Yeah this is the problem with some of the Army. You probably also refer to Seattle as shittle and think its cleaver.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:12 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Blerg (Simon) says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    @joe oneill

    Yeah this is the problem I see with some of the Army. You probably also refer to Seattle as shittle and think its cleaver.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:13 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Rob says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    @matt

    I didn’t want to get to games hours early. You know what I did? Bought tickets in another section. The Army deserves to be honored because they’re a major reason why we have an MLS club, world-class atmosphere, and a sold out stadium to begin with.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:13 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Jered Nath says:
    Tuesday, July 24, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    @matt

    WTF
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:13 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    hearttimbers says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:02 am

    First of all, great post and well said! I will say that there are people on the West side that are trying very hard to bring more excitement and Army support into the library. But, it is a struggle. Most people in the reserved sections want to sit for 90 minutes and get very, very angry to have flags and banners obstruct their view. They don’t want to have people jumping-singing-and-clapping-to-victory around them. I think what the Timbers Army has created is special and we should all work to protect it.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:14 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    jacktackular says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:03 am

    not a Timber supporter but still I hope they don’t succeed in limiting GA…big mistake that a lot of other clubs around the country make.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:14 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    maria cruz says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:05 am

    please do not go to assigned seats. It will hurt the culture of the TA immensely. TA people would not get to stand next to their friends and family that might also have a TA ticket. Think about how pissed off people will be
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:15 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Matthew Shields says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Matt, this post was made in response to a proposals that is being floated by the front office.Obviously a majority of the board believes that this proposals would hurt the game day experience. Thus, they are posting their concerns on their own website.

    It’s not propaganda nor bully tactics. You’re welcome to your opinion, and you’re welcome to post here and disagree, but there’s nothing wrong with people who disagree with switch to reserved seating expressing that concern.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:15 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    matt says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:30 am

    @Matthew Shields

    Apparently not, my measured post was deleted. So much for dialogue and discussion.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:16 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Section 112 Guy says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:55 am

    @matt

    Yeah, this forum is censored towards the “glory of the TA”. A few of my posts have been subject to deletion.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:16 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Scott V Swearingen says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    @matt

    ummmm, it is still there last time i checked.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:16 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Danny says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    @Scott V Swearingen

    Scott…. yep, definitely is! In fact this whole thread is a reply fail to it. HA!
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:17 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Joanne Couchman says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    @matt

    I think it was fast clicking on the approve button accidentally unpublished it – no worries, it’s back now… we want all sides of the discussion!

    Just keep it civil, constructive and with no personal attacks (which you did, this is more a reminder for others!)
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:17 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Jim Idle says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    @matt

    I put a lot of time and effort in to the mechanics of this web site. If anything other than unacceptable comment (racial slurs and so on) was being deleted, I would not do so.

    No dissenting posts are ever deleted to my knowledge. I must say though, that your views of this are almost certainly in the very small minority. It isn’t the 107ist saying that the TA section should be like it is – it just is that way and the vast majority (as far as I can tell) want to keep it that way.

    In as genuinely polite and respectful way as I can, I have to tell you that I think this section is not really for you. Unless reserved seating kicks in, then I think it will always be full of the kind of thing that you are objecting to – and this is really nothing to do with the 107ist per se (though most are likely North End patrons I suspect).
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:18 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Blerg says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    @Jim Idle

    “the vast majority” of people who frequent blogs dedicated to the timbers. Portland is a relatively large city. The stadium is relatively small for all the people interested in season tickets now. Bandwagoners or not, we shouldn’t be alienating any Portlanders or fans of the Timbers.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:18 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    @Blerg

    Many of them are fans of Timbers because of the atmosphere of the games. The team sure isn’t doing any favors with its play out there.

    If new fans don’t understand how that atmosphere is created, and why GA is central to its success, then it the job the this blog and 107ists and all who care about continuing that culture to inform them. This isn’t alienating, this is informing them how we continue this game to game.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:19 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Blerg says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    @Michael Pearson

    Or they are new fans of soccer
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:19 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    @Blerg

    Sure. But how many?

    And if there are so many new fans in love with the idea of soccer but so-so on atmosphere, why aren’t u-23 or reserve games sold out?

    They go hand-in-hand.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:20 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Vanessa Chiong says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:28 am

    I filled out our STH survey. Why is this an issue now? Is it due to the increased STH in the Army area? They should have known what they were getting themselves into before purchasing. Caveat emptor.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:20 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    @Vanessa Chiong

    Its due to the fact they conveniently announced they have 7000 people on a waiting list. They know they can squeeze a few more dollars by making the TA premium in some places, and if they have a less than stellar 97% rate of re-ups this year, they are confident there is enough demand waiting to get in to replace those empty seats.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:21 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Jeff Dean says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Last season, my 7 games at JWF were all in 207. That made me a PTFC supporter from the first whistle of the first match. I didn’t know the chants. I only knew that I was supposed to stand. My 2nd match, I knew the chants. I was prepared. And since my move back to Ohio, I am an avid PTFC supporter, and proud 107ist member. I cannot see the logic of the FO going to reserved seating. Lose the TA and we’ll lose the heart and soul of this club. Just ask opposing players what its like playing here. Pitch withstanding, they all agree how great it is to play in this atmosphere. Do not do this FO. It won’t work.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:21 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Calliope66 says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    G/A all the way!
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:21 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Jeff Johnson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    This is just a stinking rotten idea.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:21 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Section 112 Guy says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Let’s be honest here TA, this situation has been brought on by your own actions.
    —Exhibit A—
    Q: Will I get to sit next to my friends?
    A: Given that the section is completely sold out unless you purchased season tickets at the same time, the chances are slim.


    Shouldn’t this already be the case with GA seating. If you and your “friends” don’t arrive together, you shouldn’t be saving seats for them. Remind me what that “1 scarf 1 seat” rule really means? Hasn’t this been a huge complaint during both MLS seasons? I know of a few XTA member who were not allowed access to TA / GA sections because they were not part of that “group of friends” or they did not have the TA seniority to be there.
    You want GA to work, police yourselves to ensure every TA member has the same opportunity to stand in row A through Z.

    Here’s a different position….The Timbers organization is a FOR PROFIT business. Now image how much revenue the FO is losing with all those GA seats right now. Could not that revenue then be transformed into higher salaries? Which in turn may open the door for even higher quality players on the pitch. As in most forms of business, you get what you can pay for!
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:22 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Shawn says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    @Section 112 Guy

    I agree with you about the self policing on seat saving, but not about the FO getting more money with reserved seating in the north end. You have to think about the intangibles that translate to $$$….and hopefully the FO is doing so. How many national MLS comercials have the TA been featured in? How many more ESPN, NBC Sports, etc. games will feature the Timbers because the fans in the north end put on spectacle. That racous environment makes for good TV and that directly translates to $$. If reserved seating squashes that environment even just a little bit, then TV suitors become less interested. Tickets sales are much smaller than TV $$….just ask the Yankees about that.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:22 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Derek says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    @Shawn

    The league’s TV deal is split and given to all the teams, individual teams don’t get extra money directly from ESPN or NBC because their game is nationally televised. I’m not saying those games aren’t beneficial to the club, just that they don’t make you extra TV money. In fact, it’s one less game that’s included in the local TV deal, which means less TV money.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:23 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    @Derek

    But where the team will REALLY make money is going to be via TV deals.

    A few years ago MLS was PAYING ESPN to carry their games. Now, they have a small deal.

    If the atmospheres keep improving, its foreseeable that those TV deals will also continue to rise.

    NFL teams, and other major leagues revolve almost solely around TV money. Gate revenues are little more than a bonus. MLS is headed in that direction, slowly but surely.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:23 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Section 112.

    First question I’d ask is would the Timbers even be in MLS right now without the Army? Safely, that is a no. The City Council would have voted down the deal (I was there and the only reason Saltzman voted yes was because of the amount of supporters in the chambers that day, he said so in his announcement) and the Timbers would currently be playing in the USL-PRO league. Maybe in the NASL league at best. Its highly possible that with the closest team being in Minnesota or California, that the team could have even folded.

    The team frankly is here because of the Timbers Army. Absolutely MP money and desire and drive were highly necessary components that are on par with the TA, but MLS didn’t need Portland. The city absolutely wouldn’t have voted for a remodel. Portland would be competing against NY, St. Louis, Atlanta, and South Florida for a spot with no stadium. Even with Merritt’s money, I’m not sure he could have beaten those teams out.

    The team has higher visibility with sponsors, and is featured on commercials and national broadcasts not because we have a star-studded powerhouse team, but because we have one of the best, if not the best, atmosphere game in and game out in the league. RSL is a far far better team and us, and features only 2 National broadcasts and 0 at home. The league, the sponsors, the advertisers and the networks want Portland because of how that translates onto the TV, not because of the team that plays here. That translates into far more dollars over the long-run for MP than ratcheting up ticket costs in the section a little.

    Portland is still a very price sensitive entity. Timbers are still a new team. The team got it right on the first go-around by being IMMENSELY price-sensitive and working with 107ist to determine a fair and market sensitive price. They are currently ignoring that and chasing the short-run dollar, and in doing so are causing irreparable harm to the environment within the stadium.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:24 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Ryan says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    +1 to section 112 guy
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:24 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    David G in 111 says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    112 Guy your addittude is the exact reason Mr Ward in 112 is having such a hard time garnering support for 107ist. in 112.

    Remember what happens at the matches is a community event of epic proportions. The results on the field will always be second to the support. Why? because the support creates an unbelievable authentic moment in our lives 20 time a year.

    Thank you 107ist for providing these moments

    GA TILL WE DIE !
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:25 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Section 112 Guy says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    @David G

    I’m glad to know that my attitude is holding the 112 Corner Corps from forming. I agree 100% with what Matt posted above. I leave each game exhausted from cheering for Timbers the entire 90+ minute of each match. My loyalty to the club will never lessen, nor will another group tell me how I should cheer or tell me how to handle my open ticket for a Seattle, Vancouver, or any other home game!

    Please help me understand one thing….What does the TA think/feel the Timbers organization owes them? And when will said payment be complete?
    I’ll agree at atmosphere the crowd generates is the best in MLS. At some point the TA needs to be heald accountable for their own actions. The FO should not need to add additional ushers or staff to ensure the TA is abiding by their own rules/laws. Nor should seasoned TA members squeeze 20 people into a 10 row designed for 10.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:25 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Shawn says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    I think we have already seen the TA environment suffer a bit with the wristbands. We all showed up early, got our band, and then disappeared for 3 hours. Outside JWF was dead until 5:00 with an 8:00 game time. In the past, especially for big games like LA, the line was huge at 4:00 and earlier. Standing in line is part of the intimidation factor. When the opposing team bus rolls by we are already getting in their heads. It gets us more pumped for the game as well. Reserved seating will kill that. We can’t afford that! Someday I will “retire” to section 109, 110, etc., and that is my choice, and hopefully privilidge being a season ticket holder dating back to USL days. I say go back to day 1. Gate 3 opens 107 minutes before the game. Period. Line jumping kind of sucks, but it really isn’t that bad. I got into the exact same seats in 105 with wristbands as I have for every other method. That includes line jumpers etc. Also, the one time my back was jacked I was able to go to 205 and sit to watch the game. I couldn’t do that in 105 (nor would I want to) if I had reserved seats. So really not too worried about line jumping. Once again, it adds to the atmosphere. Seat saving is the only thing that sucks and perhaps thats where the TA needs to self police a bit. Much like “Don’t throw s**t on the pitch”…..It still happens, but we squash it quickly. A couple seats or a few seast is cool, but a block of 3 rows, not so much.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:25 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Brandon says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    @Shawn

    I think that some of the issues that have led to discussions regarding reserved seating stem from the massive lines out front of the stadium, coupled with complaints from a small vocal minority. Its only a matter of time until something bad happens. I am not advocating violence and do everything I can to prevent it, however, during the match vs the fish some of their fans traveled up Morrison past the large crowd complete with intoxicated TA only to be overwhelmed with verbal insults, boos, and even projectiles on occasion. While the police did well to confront a few trouble makers,(specifically ones that threw stuff) all that situation would have needed was some intoxicated bros from up north to take offense and fire back. Before you know it it could have become out of control. I realize the long lines and people waiting looks good on tv, and the intimidation factor for away teams and the video footage of “go home you bums” chants directed at the other teams bus is awesome, I can only imagine there is a serious concern from city leaders regarding safety and lawlessness.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:26 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Rob Alan says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    +1, Shawn.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:26 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    op ivy_rancid says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    what are people’s thoughts on making the individual 100 level sections GA for the section only? for example, people 107, 106, 105 and so on would be GA for those who have tickets for that particular section. personally, i don’t know anyone who really bounces around to different vantage points within the 100 level throughout the game (the seats are too crowded to really do that)… i think it would be interesting to have the option to purchase a section GA ticket and then have free reign within that section. this would eliminate 10 people standing in an area with 5 seats. then take the 200 level and make it completely GA.

    this would allow the more passionate fans to keep some semblance of general admission and the ability to watch with their swath of friends. however, this wouldn’t punish people for not having the time to line up 6-8 hours pre-match because there would be a limited amount of tickets available for their particular section. i think this would maintain the virility of the 100 level, and may help grow the excitement. people who don’t feel comfortable standing/singing for a full 90 would have the entire 200 level to roam, with lesser pressure to get mental. plus it could foster some of the inter-TA competitiveness between sections.

    thoughts?
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:27 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Garrett Dittfurth says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    @op ivy_rancid

    It’s completely unenforceable unless there are 10X the amount of ushers and security personnel.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:27 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    @Garrett Dittfurth

    This.

    The idea is sound. The execution would fall flat because there is no way the FO is committing that many ushers to this.

    In the end it will boil down to either ALL reserved or ALL GA. Anything in the middle just won’t work long-term.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:28 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    op ivy_rancid says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    @Michael Pearson

    i’m not totally convinced that it would require that many more ushers.. there are currently at least two ushers at the entrance of each tunnel. you would just need one usher checking tickets at the top of the stairs for each 100 level section. the FO may be willing to add a few additional ushers to help improve customer satisfaction, as well as clean up the long line prior to the match (while fun, i think poses as a liability risk for the FO that they have to be considering)…
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:28 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Garrett Dittfurth says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    @op ivy_rancid

    They couldn’t enforce reserved seating in 2001 when there were 40 people in section 107. What makes you think 2 ushers could manage 2 sections with about 500 people in each?

    It still doesn’t fix the business problem presented. Priority will go to those there before MLS, which is nice for them. Do you think many of the newer people will renew when they’re told they must be in the 200 level? Additionally many of the most enthusiastic are the newer people. They would be relegated to the top.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:29 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    @op ivy_rancid

    The other issue is if its by section, whats to prevent someone from going in 104 and moving laterally across the aisles to 107?

    Whats to prevent someone from ferrying their friends into the section?

    Are the ushers really going to be able to accurately check every single ticket going into a section? You can’t let ANY kind of line build up in the aisles/concourse entrances because of fire code issues.

    If too many extra people sneak in and you show up later, what happens to you? Especially if you have a big group of friends and nowhere to go? Can you go somewhere else or are the ushers going to be checking every seat down there?

    Just some of the questions that have to be asked. I think your right in questioning, but honestly, the eventual path leads to ALL reserved or ALL GA, one or the other. All reserved is untenable to me.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:29 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    op ivy_rancid says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    @Garrett Dittfurth @Michael Pearson

    yeah, i don’t necessarily disagree with either of you. it’s definitely worth asking the question..

    no easy solution at all. just trying to think of a reasonable solution. while i haven’t been attending games since 2001, i have been in the army since ’09. going to games has become increasingly frustrating. the wristbands were a decent solution in my opinion and helped some of the line jumping that was growing to be a major concern. (i was in line with five other people at the seattle match. we got in line at 8AM and due to the cluster f*@k of line jumpers were unable to sit together for the match.)

    i will say my first few games were in the 200 level. i lurked up there until i became comfortable learning the songs and culture of the TA. once i started to feel like i was a part of the greater community i moved down into the 100 level. i do get frustrated when i see some people who don’t know/understand the ways of the TA and they are sitting/standing in the lower 100 seats – usually with arms crossed and mouths closed. (in reference to my seattle experience, not only was i completely separated from the five other people i had just waited in line with, but was surrounded by people who didn’t want to stand up for the start of the second half and then didn’t participate whatsoever.)

    but if it’s black or white, then i’m all for maintaining the GA.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:30 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    EtG says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    @Garrett Dittfurth

    And even if you could enforce it, the first 10 rows of the 200 level would become the new 100 level (and people would line up for hours to get them). The front of the 100 levels would still be important seating and people would line up for those too. The people who have issues that they can’t get there in time to get in the 100s now would still be complaining as they would still be in the back.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:30 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Ryan says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    to the 107is question of how much i would pay for reserved seats in lower bowl…. front office, are you reading this… I would be willing to pay up to $1,000 for reserved season tickets in lower bowl of GA. I’m serious! i hate standing in line for 4 hours and i hate to see the inner groups save seats for eachother and i end up sitting in second level watching the guy who just showed up sit in his saved seat!!! TA is old news, bring on reserved seats… Im not the only one willing to pay a premium in order to save time wasted in line and anxiety of getting a quality seat!
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:31 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    @Ryan

    Is it safe to assume that you are willing to spend a $1000 bucks for a reserved seat, rather than a $1000 for the Club Seats (with all the free food and drinks to boot) is because you enjoy the atmosphere more than over in the club seats?

    If that’s the case, then going reserved will mean the end to any atmosphere that you enjoy.

    If its because its the only seat you can get, I assure you there will be some openings in the Club section after this year and I’d highly recommend getting in there for the free food and premium seats! Would be much better value than a front section 107 seat in a dead section.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:31 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Garrett Dittfurth says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    @Ryan

    I second what Michael says. You’re describing seats on the west side or east side as exactly what you want. Charging $1,000 basically prices out the kids or anyone under the age of 30 without a killer job…you know…most of the people creating the atmosphere that I assume you want to be a part of.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:31 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Jim Idle says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    @Garrett Dittfurth

    Exactly. I’ll pay anything they want to charge, but after 3 games I am sure that I would wish I hadn’t. There isn’t really any huge reason to change anything but too much seat saving. We just need to HTFU.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:32 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Ryan says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    @Jim Idle

    yea, i just want good season tickets in lower 100’s. not necessary TA bowl. but they are all taken. im a current GA season ticket holder. i don’t need the atmosphere anymore… but i see the GA as the next area for reserved seats, and that’s what i want. i actually sat in 111 for the galaxy game, and they were awesome over there… and i didn’t have to worry about people crowding in that didn’t fit or saved seats… if key club opens up, im there, or anywhere i can get reserve ticket… whether GA or not… just don’t want to put up with standing in line and being told how to cheer on my team…
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:32 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Mikkel Nieto says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    @Ryan

    Just FYI, if you end up in key club, you will most definitely be told how to cheer on your team.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:32 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Brandon says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    @Ryan

    When I renewed my tickets last year, there was plenty of open seats in the Key Bank Club. I’m not sure why you have GA when there is space available over there. You should contact your ticket representative.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:33 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Sherrilynn "Sheba" Rawson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    @Ryan

    In all sincerity, if you are willing to spend that kind of money, talk to your ticket rep and tell them what kind of atmosphere you’re looking for next year. Want to jump and clap and sing nonstop, and still have reserved seats? Come join the party on the west side. Less concerned about standing and singing? Go for the east side, and have other perks thrown in. Prefer to look through the netting of a goal? South Deck is your baby.

    Talk to your ticket rep about where you’d rather be, and as seats become available when people move and/or don’t renew, they will contact you. The fewer there are in your party, the faster and more likely they’ll be able to help you out.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:33 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Andy says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 12:06 am

    @Ryan

    So you’re willing to pay more money in exchange for guaranteed seats not in the Army…isn’t that what the entire rest of the stadium is, only with a better view? Is there some reason you want to pay more for GA without having to deal with the Army?
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:34 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Kirby the king says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Why don’t they make a TA lite or section near by for those that aren’t lame and want to stand (like the WHOLE lower bowl in seattle) but want to enjoy the game without Tifo/smoke/ and random flag waving?

    I love the hard core supporters (TA and ECS) but choose not to stand there because of Tifo and flag waving during the run of play.

    I stand and chat from nearby and everyone is happy.. Plus I have a place I can stand, chant and enjoy the game without showing up hours before kick off.. If I want to bring friends I trade tickets with the folks around me (we are all season ticker holders)
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:34 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Sherrilynn "Sheba" Rawson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    @Kirby the king

    I think you mean the curve, or the west side in 115 or 116. Look over at them the next time you’re at a match and see if it’s what you’re talking about.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:34 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Section 8er says:
    Monday, July 23, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    @Kirby the king

    We worked with out FO to get a upper level corner in this vein. We’ve been calling it Section 80. It’s quite nice- a lot of people who have been involved since ’98 who have had enough of standing/singing/going crazy for the full 90′ can still hang out and enjoy each other and still bring a bit of passion; occasional chant and what not.

    Long story short, certainly worth pursuing, but let’s be honest, your STH situation is a far cry from ours here in Chi.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:35 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Robert says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    I’m all for reserved seats in the TA section. Standing in line for 3 hours prior to gates, an additional 2 hours until kick off and then 2 more hours for the match make for a very long day. I’m sure that if the majority of MLS era TA season ticket holders knew in advance that decent seats would require a 4-7 hour PRE kick-off commitment they would have opted for another section. I know I would have and am sorry I didn’t see the writing on the wall. I’ve tried to move, but nothing is available.
    In the end it comes down to what’s right for me and my money. I can’t afford (time or money) to lose the better part of a day every time I want to see a match. Therefore my vote for reserved seats.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:35 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Craig Hill says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    @Robert

    Everything I’ve been told is that it’s much easier to trade seats in the off-season. I know people who’ve wanted to switch and have, both in and out of the TA.

    Also, the wristbands are cutting down on the amount of time needed in line. Did you attend the Galaxy game? It really made a huge difference, and only required being there until the wristbands, and then coming back half an hour before the gates opening. Really cuts down on the time necessary for line-waiting, and will only get better from here.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:36 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    @Robert

    So the question I’d ask and have before

    Do you sit in the TA because of the atmosphere, or do you sit there because you happened to buy tickets there? Last season I know ~500 TA ticket holders were able to move out to other sections. If your there for the atmosphere, that won’t exist in reserved seating.

    If you just happened into get a TA ticket, there are 15k+ reserved tickets and around 5k TA. There are plenty of other seats for you to move through, without destroying TA for the people that want it to stay the same.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:36 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    112 and proud says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    @Michael Pearson

    Yes the atmosphere does exist outside of GA. Take a look around next game and see what 109, 110, 111, 112 are doing.
    I am getting sick of GA elitists telling people that the “atmosphere” only exists in GA.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:37 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    @112 and proud

    Where are the chants starting? Where are the drums? Where are the horns? Where are the Capos?

    TA is absolutely NOT the only atmosphere in the stadium, all sections are important, but to say much of what starts in the stadium doesn’t start in the TA is a fallacy.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:37 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    @112 and proud

    TA section.

    Obviously anyone who wants to be TA is TA.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:38 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    EtG says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 7:57 pm


    So, 112. You are saying if 101/201 through 108/208 suddenly went quiet then 109-112 would fill the stadium with the same chanting/singing? I have to say I strongly doubt that. Have you ever been there on a night with the TA was “off” (i.e. quieter than usual, like say the friendlies or sometimes they just seem not as into it?). Did you ever go to games back in 2004ish when the TA was not even a full section? If the TA goes silent, no matter how hard other sections try it isn’t the same stadium atmosphere whatsoever.

    I don’t think this is elitism at all. I love it that sections like 109-112 and 116 stand and sing and have atmosphere beyond others that sit the entire game (mine sits). I actually tried to move to 116 last year but there were like 3 seats available and none together. Oh well, maybe next season.

    Went to the RSL away game and it is a perfect example of an overly controlled stadium atmosphere. The stadium atmosphere is exactly what you’d expect from a 98% reserved seats stadium. There was a small supporters group in the south stands (Barra Real, I believe) which consisted of about 30-40 people with drums, a fog machine and basically sang in Spanish / did their own thing the entire game. There are apparently 7 other supporters groups but none were visible anywhere beyond say what a Blazers Booster Club is at the Rose Garden (a couple signs here and there). 1 section partially stood most of the game but didn’t sing and chant unless the stadium PA blared a song that they could sing along with. It was a TOTALLY different experience than what we have here in Portland, totally manufactured with the exception of the tiny section with drums. Frankly if you start telling people who prefer to sit, are going to complain about flags and smoke, complain about people singing that they are now allowed to buy reserved seats in section 107 it just isn’t going to work out well nor maintain the overall JeldWen Atmosphere that the TA currently provides.

    It would be simple to prove really. Perhaps at the AVFC friendly the TA should agree to be silent for the first half in protest. While I’d love to see 112 carry the stadium, the unfortunate truth is that it would seem rather pathetic in comparison.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:39 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Matthew Shields says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    @Robert

    Then sit somewhere else man. There’s a whole stadium. Your “solution” is to screw the people who actually like things the way they are. Seriously, if you want reserved tickets, then tell your ticket rep you want to move.

    Some of us like GA. I could have afforded tickets on the west side if I wanted to. It would annoy my wife, but she’d get over it. But I don’t WANT to sit over there. And that’s what the north end would be if they make it all reserved. If the atmosphere is gone, I may as well be watching from a bar.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:40 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Sherrilynn "Sheba" Rawson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Robert,

    We all recognize that with the increased number of North End tickets there are more people competing for spots. We are working on both short term (as in the rest of this season) and longer term (2013) ways to address the having-to-wait-in-line-for-a-long-time issue. That said, please know that there are many ways to address lines and waiting that do not require a move to general admission of any kind.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:40 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Travis McCurdy says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    I’ve been going to Timbers matches since 2007, so I know what it used to be like, and the only real problem I have now with GA is waiting in line for an hour sometimes more just to have to stand way up in the 200s, with an obstructed view of the pitch, meanwhile damn near every match I see the same people standing in the first three or four rows, despite NEVER seeing them standing in line. I’m not talking about newbs either, many of these people have been going to Timbers matches longer than I have.

    I love the idea of GA and if we lose GA a lot of negative things will happen, but it is these people who think they have some sort of entitlement to the front row despite staying in the bar till 5 minutes to kick off that are destroying GA, if it happens a lot of the blame can be put on them. If you want those spots so bad then STAND IN LINE like everyone else.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:41 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    @Travis McCurdy

    FWIW some of that is definitely an issue, while some of those guys (particularly in the front of 107) are there setting up banners and setting out flags, which is why you don’t see them in line.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:41 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Kristen says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    I am just off of work and reading this now, a few hours after the fact. I feel the need to respond to Matt who does not like being knocked about by a bunch of people and whose kids don’t like being in the 100s. Our children both hate it down there too so when we come as a family, we sit in 205 and they enjoy themselves. About half the time, we get a sitter and end up squeezing into one of the first 3 rows of 105. Yes, it is a bit cramped, but not really all that bad. The thing we have like about GA tickets is the ability to go to either spot depending on whether or not we bring the kids. As far as switching to reserved seats, if you are already a STH you will have the option to switch to other seats as they come available. Thing is, you really could end up stuck near a bunch of idiots. In the GA sections, you have the option of moving in the moment if people are too obnoxious. These are all things we have considered now that we have kids, but ultimately, it seems like the best choice to remain in GA for affordable, flexible seating options that meet everyone’s needs.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:42 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Brandon says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    To compliment what Kristen is saying, there are days when I feel tired, or cant make it early enough to get down to the lower bowl. I have and will continue to climb up into the 200s and I thoroughly enjoy the more laid back atmosphere. Then again most of the time I want to be in the midst of the the rowdiness and contribute to it. I enjoy the option to choose my destiny. Reserved seating would not only ruin the atmosphere and experience, but honestly would probably cause me to give up my season tickets. With the TA atmosphere buying single games should become much easier I wouldn’t need to make such a large financial commitment each season.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:42 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    112 and proud says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    I find your words offensive!! I am part of the 112 and we stand and scream for the entire match. Right along with 109, 110, 111, and 113. Get off your high horse.

    Your offensive statement is below.
    “There are already 15,000-plus reserved seats at Jeld-Wen Field, and it’s a hell of a job to get the people who are in them to participate and support the team loud and strong for 90 minutes. There is no doubt that the imposition of assigned seating in the Timbers Army sections of the stadium will result in pockets of the North End becoming just as stale and complacent as the east and west stands.

    DON’T LET THE TIMBERS ARMY TURN INTO THE
    LIBRARY OR THE FREE-DONUT BRIGADE!!!

    SAY NO TO RESERVED SEATING IN THE NORTH END!!!”
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:43 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Sherrilynn "Sheba" Rawson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    @112 and proud

    I’m in 116, among the 116 ultras. I hear what you’re saying but I also know the difference between the North End for the 90 minutes pre-match and the West Side for 90 minutes pre-match.

    I am QUITE certain that we would not have the success we are having with getting people to stand and sing and clap and cheer without the support of the North End, already in full voice for an hour before most of my section has even parked a car yet.

    Perhaps the tag line could be reworked but I completely understand the message. I LOVE my 116 mates and would never want the North End to become the ghost town that our section is pre- and post-match. If it did it wouldn’t be long before we were all sitting down again, much to my chagrin.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:43 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Matthew Ward says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Well said Sheba, my sentiments exactly! I think a lot of this frustration is not even tied to the whole GA/Reserved issue (although it is an important topic for sure) we have a loosing team this year.Folks nerves are frayed and are turning on each other. I think we all need to take a deep breath and realise how good we all really have it in the stadium and fight to keep it that way. We are all supporting the same team here.
    There seem to be are more important things the FO should be worried about right now like a new head coach, and putting together a winning team.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:43 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Matthew says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Not a TA member, not even a Portlander, but a diehard PTFC fan won over by a love for MLS and US soccer in general. I love what the TA does but I think it could definitely be toned down a little.

    First off, the TA does not need smoke bombs and cursing to have a good time. Don’t muck the TA’s good name with so many slippery slope arguments. That’s ridiculous. The point raised by Matt earlier that caught my eye was that his kids do not want to attend the games. I’m an Oakland Raiders fan from birth, and let me be the first to tell you that when teams do not succeed in the standings, the fan atmosphere is the only thing that fuels the younger generation of a fanbase. Win, lose, or tie, I grew up loving the 6 hour drive south to Oakland with my father, sitting in awful cheap nosebleed seats screaming our hearts out for the silver and black. It was like a mecca. The fan experience was (obviously) toned down to allow that to happen. Even Raiders fans know their limits around children: no excessive swearing, no excessive drinking, no smoke of any kind (even lighting joints) during the game, etc. Not to say that Raiders fans wouldn’t partake in these activities when by their elder peers, but I’ve seen fans positively change their behavior around children a hundred times. I’ve seen children become embraced. I experienced it first hand. That is the kind of atmosphere that builds future generations of fans. The TA can still be the best fanbase in MLS without making it impossible for the younger generation to enjoy a match. I hate to say “think of the children”, but really. Tone it down a little.

    And now the other issue – money:

    As for the FO’s sudden inquiry into reserved seating, why doesn’t anyone mention the obvious profit increase associated with reserved seating? For all the FO’s talk about supporting the fanbase and working with the TA, it will all be for naught unless the fanbase as a whole accepts an increase in the price of GA tickets. Reserved seating means a difference in price between 100 and 200 level seats, which means more money for the FO. No poll is going to persuade them to leave money on the table, and if you disagree with that, you’re naive.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:44 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    @Matthew

    But its a short-sighted grab at money.

    They will forever make 1000x more money off of sponsors and TV deals than they will with charging an extra 10 dollars a seat/game in the 100s. Ticket revenue isn’t what caused MP to jump into MLS, it was the money to be made turning MLS into a top tier sport. The product on the field will never be better than the big foreign leagues, but if the atmosphere, TA specifically, makes ESPN and NBC schedule games in Portland, then that is how the sport can become more mainstream.

    As for concerns for the children, those are frankly your values. I can point to literally hundreds of North End parents that take their children into the TA, and none have been harmed in any way shape or form.

    The TA support has evolved and grown over the years. It includes many of things you disdain, and frankly, has done everything it can to AVOID being similar to any of the other sports you named. Those aren’t Portland, and they aren’t what the majority of the TA wants, given the rise in numbers the last few years.

    You are welcome to your opinion, but, its just that, and opinion, and what you deem “ok” for kids is just not something that is in-line with the hundreds of people I know.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:44 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Kindle Perry says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    I’m curious why there would suddenly be no tifo, flag ect. Wouldn’t it be the same people that are already sth in the TA, just in assigned seats? I’m in 209 and I participate in all the chants, stand all game, and wave a flag when our section gets them, and the change in seating in the TA doesn’t actually change anything for me. I just want some more info on why it would be so detrimental to the vibe. Also it isn’t as easy to move as you would think, we tried to change our seats last year and were unable to do so even though our rep was aware that we wanted different seats. It has to do with when you originally purchased your tickets. You can’t just call your rep and move seats tomorrow.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:45 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Matthew says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    @Kindle Perry

    It wouldn’t be detrimental. Blazers fans are fine with it. Seahawks fans are fine with it. Raiders fans are fine with it. Strong fanbases can be loud no matter what. The TA can still purchase tickets in this future reserved seating dystopia. It’s just a slippery slope, that’s all. People are afraid that we’ll all suddenly start wearing rave green and paying $30 for Budweiser or something.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:45 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    @Matthew

    Blazers, Seahawks and Raiders frankly have no semibalance to the atmosphere created in the TA section. Even what ECS creates is significantly different than what those corporate fan-bases do. There is really no comparison.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:45 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Stig says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 9:50 am

    @Matthew

    I have been to Blazers games… the atmosphere is lame compared to the TA. Pure and simple. The most exciting moment in a blazers game is on par with a lull in the TA. And i have never met anyone new at the rose garden, but just this last game went and had some beers with brand new line buddys. (also tickets cost hella)
    Lets go blazers.. Lets go blazers… D-fence… D-fence….
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:46 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    @Kindle Perry

    Game-Day operations people wouldn’t be able to freely move about section to section to prepare for tifo.

    Flags would end when people sitting in the seats asked for them to be put down, just like the west side had to deal with when people don’t want to participate.

    There is next to zero chance all of the drums would end up in the same section. So say goodbye to them.

    It also kills any chance TA have of bringing new people to games. Friends and family who could come to one game would never get the chance.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:46 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Sherrilynn "Sheba" Rawson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Kindle,

    My answer to that question would be: look at the rest of the stadium. When people have reserved seats, they don’t show up early. Why should they? Here’s what I fear: a bunch of people in the North End with the same thought: “I’ve got my seat reserved, I can stroll in five minutes before the match. Surely somebody else will arrive early and cheer her lungs out until I get there. I don’t need to arrive early because I am guaranteed my spot.” When you don’t have a critical mass arriving early, you don’t have a crowd ready to jump and clap and sing pre-match.

    Also: ask people in various reserved sections how the whole standing, cheering, and flag-waving goes over when somebody with season tickets directly behind them complains that they can’t see because of all of the standing and flag-waving.

    I’m in 116, and I can guarantee you that our reserved seats section wouldn’t be the standing, flag-waving section that it is without the North End as a benchmark and a place to build. We stand on the North End’s shoulders.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:47 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Kindle Perry says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    @Sherrilynn "Sheba" Rawson

    I just stand/chant/flag wave even if it annoys the crap out of the people around me, but my proximity to the TA (edge of 209) probably keeps my neighbors from bitching about it. I can see how that wouldn’t work in the library. I also hadn’t thought of the game-day ops or drums issue. I can see how that would ruin everything. Thanks for the info guys.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:47 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    EtG says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Kindle, I agree with what Sheba says 100%. I sit pretty close to Sheba actually (she could hit me in the back of the head with a spitwad easily). On opening day last season my section (117) stood for the entire match (except the front 4-5 rows who hunkered down under ponchos). This made me happy. At the very beginning of game 2 there was clearly a premeditated group of people in the middle / back who started badgering people to sit about 5 minutes in. Not shockingly 95+% of people politely did so with the other handfull of us bummed.

    It isn’t nearly so easy when the ethos suddenly shifts which would happen with reserved seating in the North End. If you moved from the edge of 209 to the edge of 217 you’d have people telling you to sit if you tried to stand the entire game (even if there were a few others who wanted to stand too). Same thing would happen if 208 became reserved and half the ticket holders didn’t want to stand (and they couldn’t just go to the back, they had to sit and stand salt and pepper fashion throughout the section … somebody has to lose here, either the sitters have to stand up to see or the standers have to comply with the request to sit).

    Sheba’s section didn’t happen overnight. There were some in 116 who didn’t like the standing and ended up getting moved. There are, unfortunately some in my section who complain that they stand and that they waive flags, that one guy likes to bring his cowbell and unfortunately it has led to a few conflicts.

    People want to experience the Timbers different ways, I get that. But those ways all already exist in different places throughout the stadium and to buy TA/GA tickets and try to change the one section in the stadium which has certainly the deepest rooted traditions because it is inconvenient for someone is just selfish.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:48 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Brandon says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    @Kindle Perry

    I had a lot of problems with my seats in 113 due to standing, flag waving, chanting, etc. Other STH’s complained about me for doing that. I was even put on notice for aggressive behavior because a woman behind me didnt like me participating in “oh referee, oh referee, take another bong hit.” She said it encourages drug use and her and her children do not sit in the army because they do not approve of such behavior. As a result I ended up going back to TA (had 2GA in 2010, went 2GA/2 113 in 2011, then back to 3GA this year.) at the advice of my Ticket Rep. Its not as easy as just doing it anyways. I started sitting and shut up because with 3k+ on the waitlist I didn’t want to find out if their threats of removal were sincere.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:48 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Corey Randolph says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    I am on the wait list and I really hope that they don’t go to assigned seating. My family and I travel from Bend Oregon to see the games and this season, to not pay scalpers prices, we bought obstructive view tickets. We can hear the TA but not seeing is a different experience altogether. I have been bringing by daughter to Timber’s games for the last two season (she is now four years old). When you ask her the favorite part of the games it is ALWAYS the TA. When we took her to the USWNT game last year she was disappointed there wasn’t a TA. She has had many great experiences from going to the games. The game she still talks about most often was a game where we had tickets in section 99 right next to the TA when we played the LA Galaxy. That day she fell in love with soccer. For our family we hope this is not the decision they make.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:49 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Marc Romano says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    I’ve noticed a few posts discussing whether or not it is easy to move your season ticket holder seats to another section. In my experience it is not that easy to move. I have been a season ticket holder for four years. When it was my turn to select last off season I couldn’t get anything decent in the lower bowl. 110 filled up a couple hours before I selected. The reality is, if you don’t have a lot of seniority you are not going to be able to move. Personally, I’m fine with sitting in GA, though the game day wait in line can be a drag for this 9-5 guy, particularly on weekdays. But that’s my deal, can’t blame it on anyone else.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:49 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Joe Wilson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    @Marc Romano

    “But that’s my deal, can’t blame it on anyone else.”

    More attitudes like yours! HTFU everyone! Make friends with people the next time you get into the 100 level, and get their phone numbers. Go get beers outside of the match, or watch an away game together. Next time you’re “stuck” in the 200’s, text em! See if they made it into the 100’s and can squeeze you in! Do the same for them.

    Sh!t, here’s the real deal; when you’re in the 100’s and a stranger says “is that seat taken?”, ask how many they’ll be and if it’s 2 or 3, say “don’t worry, we’ll make it work. Get in here!”. Nuts to butts! 1.5 people per seat, minimum.

    Everyone needs to stop making their problems someone else’s. Either adopt Marc’s attitude and say, “that’s my deal, can’t blame it on anyone else”, or make other people’s problems yours. Everyone is too focused on themselves. GA should be fun! We’re all family!

    IMHO. ;)
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:49 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    EtG says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    @Joe Wilson

    + eleventy billion.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:50 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Section 112 Guy says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    @Joe Wilson

    This is where the problem lies. Unless every TA members feels this way and accommodates everyone, the FO will continue to get complaints from their customers and be forced to react. Part of the GA admission may go to support TA, it’s time for the TA to support the FO by policing it’s own policies.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:50 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Matthew Cox says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Firstly, the army is the army. It always will be. It’ll never die. Even noobs know what to expect when they go to the north end. The atmosphere is second to none and is the reason why we are so damn popular.

    Why the board thinks we’ll be arriving late and sitting down purely because we have reserved seats is beyond me. If it becomes a problem, the FO should just reduce beer prices pre-game and does some other stuff; more people will come early.

    And the tifo/drums disappearing in a puff of green smoke next year? C’mon! MP and the FO love this stuff. I’m sure an exception could be made to have the wonderful tifo crew have full access and have the drums sit together.

    Reserved doesn’t mean seated. Reserved doesn’t mean library. It means no lines and no fighting for your seat. It means no mad, dangerous rush to find a seat in the 100s (even the wristbands haven’t got rid of this completely)

    Saying all that, we need a compromise which we can all live with; make 200s reserved. Simple. And having watched a few games from the top rows of 207/208; it’s not a bad place to watch it from. Most people are still active participants; I’m sure some people would be happy with STH there.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:51 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Joe Wilson says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    @Matthew Cox

    Have you looked at other teams in MLS whose supporters have either full or partial reserved sections, or who are ringed by reserved sections?

    We are unique, for sure, and I think that we could overcome some of the obstacles that reserved seating throws in the way; but overall, the effect that reserved seating has on supporters — in all three cases from above — is extremely negative.

    I don’t think there’s an incentive to show up early with assigned seating, and the rest of *our* stadium backs me up. Hell, our section isn’t even full early…the 100’s sure, but the 200’s take a while to fill up. There’s really no good argument I’ve seen for changing the TA to reserved. There are arguments to be made for why reserved seats are great, yes; but making an existing, awesome, GA-driven supporters section into reserved… I haven’t heard it.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:51 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Bruce Eaton says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    I’m going to quote MP from a few years ago. When faced with someone complaining about the TA his response was “then don’t sit near them.”

    While the environment in the stadium has advanced since then, the sentiment is the same. If there is something happening with the TA that you don’t want to be a part of, MOVE away from there.

    I did. Several times. Smoke (which now is much less irritating thanks to advancements in celebratory science) used to flare up my asthma. So I moved away from it. The drums moved into the row behind my traditional spot. God damn. They are loud. Pretty sweet for atmosphere too. But my ears couldn’t handle it right in front of them. So I MOVED.

    Now I settle in nicely in 207 with a bunch of great people when in the TA. You got a post in your way? MOVE slightly higher and into a different section.

    GA provides the most flexibility for EVERYONE to have a great match day. If people would prioritize TA and the support over their individual wants/needs/desires we’d have close to none of these problems.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:51 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Seth Hunt says:
    Thursday, July 19, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Good points Bruce. We all have sacrifices we make for the good of the club. It’s part of being a supporter.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:52 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Hgh says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 1:06 am

    Wrong. I have been to games in the rose Garden and the old memorial coliseum where it was louder. When you have 20 thousand fans Screaming it beats the ta any day of the week. Don’t think that just because ta has this whole hipster anarchy burger chic going that you are any less part of the herd. I have seen a zealot like demeanor from super fans and capos a like about people not singing hard enough or loud enough. Anyone remember you are supposed to be enjoying a futbol match as well?Get over yourselves.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:52 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Michael Pearson says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 9:38 am

    @Hgh

    You mean a covered indoor coliseum could be louder than a partially covered, outdoor stadium? Thanks for the heads up!
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:52 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    joe pratt says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 7:12 am

    I sit in 118 row D. I, on purpose, did NOT get tickets in the TA because of a few reasons but I made that choice knowing what the TA section was and I love them for it. Why in the holy hell would we ruin the supporters group the same way we are ruining the team?!?!

    If you dont want to deal with all of the headache that goes along with being in the TA section, move to another section and leave it be for those who DO want to deal with it!
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:53 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Jon says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 8:06 am

    And of course, nothing worst than current season ticket holders with priority to get those seats and upcharge the Army 50-75% on Stubhub… Keep GA!
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:53 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Rob Wright says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 10:50 am

    I do not have season tickets and I do not live in Oregon, I’m an exile who does not have the luxury of being able to attend many Timbers games. Losing GA for reserve is a massive mistake. I’ve seen how crappy the supporter sections are in away stadiums.

    The GA TA section is a community, it is filled with people who come together to be part of something that is bigger than themselves. It is not about you sitting down, or having a great view, it is about being with friends, family, meeting new friends, joining a new family, and being part of something that is fun and positive. For that moment in time you are part of a singular mass that has not been replicated anywhere else in the United States.

    Reserved seating takes away that community, re-read some of the testimonials from people who do have reserved seats and who are harassed because they like to have fun and to grow the TA experience into the rest of the stadium.

    Why would you want to make the TA like the sections where people act self-centered and douchy, creating a negative atmosphere over one that is fun and exciting?

    The community is what sold me on joining the 107ist and rooting for the Timbers. The only game I have attended at Jeld-Wen in the first five minutes I had a beer shoved into one hand and a chant shed into the other and the fans had me singing, chanting, and trtrising right along with them. I dare anyone to say that experience is worse than having someone yelling at you for standing, cheering, or whatever else you are doing to root for the Timbers.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:54 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Bret Smith says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Not sure if this has been mentioned, but what about this idea:

    Every ticket is printed with a random letter, like A though G or however granular you want. There are x many of each letter, for example 250 holders have an A, 250 have a B etc… Have only a single entrance where TA ticket holders can enter. Then on game day when they open the doors, they randomly choose an order of letters to be seated first, second, etc.

    So they announce group C is seating first, 250 people cheer and go up to queue in line, many others groan :) Then they add another letter after they get through the majority of the “C”s. After that only “C”s. and that new letter can go through, until they work their way through, etc. Once there’s only one letter everyone can queue up.

    It means there is not an hours long wait to get in, just show up 20 min or so prior to the opening. Allows people to actually hang out at a bar etc. prior to the game. Plus it adds some fun to the experience (gambling yay!),
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:54 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Garrett Dittfurth says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    @Bret Smith

    Your idea is very similar to mine except I would just give all season ticket holders a permanent group. Each group gets early entry on a rotating basis.

    Group A – Game 1
    Group B – Game 2
    Group C – Game 3
    Group D – Game 4
    Group A – Game 5
    Group B – Game 6
    etc etc
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:55 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Sherrilynn "Sheba" Rawson says:
    Friday, July 20, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    @Garrett Dittfurth

    These are great options. There are others that aren’t random as well. To take just two examples:

    * Folks could be allowed to do a virtual check-in on line, say, 24 hours before the match, and get the equivalent of a “boarding pass”/”group entry pass” to print out and bring along on match day.

    * In cooperation with the front office, the 107IST could be given a certain number of “early group entry passes” for each match (let’s say, for example, fifty early entry passes) that are explicitly set aside for folks who do volunteer work/community outreach with us. So, for example, if that were happening for these next two matches, perhaps everybody who were volunteering at the food bank in PDX and Beaverton on Saturday would get first crack at early entry Tuesday. Everybody who donated blood in Vancouver the following weekend would get early entry for the Chivas USA match, and so on. (Guess who likes that idea?) ;D

    These are just a couple of examples, and there can be hybrids/combinations of these options and/or others for next year. The wristbands are a temporary yet workable solution to the problem for the time being, until we get something worked out for the future. I am confident that we can significantly improve the entry process for folks WITHOUT jeopardizing general admission going forward.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:55 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Xander Tennent says:
    Saturday, July 21, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    On the matter of noise, I used to attend U of O basketball games at the old Mac Court. It’s difficult for me to imagine anything louder than that. For the TA, noise is not the only factor in creating an atmosphere. It is the collection of flags and signs, the voluntary coordination of songs and chants, the explosion of streamers, confetti and smoke after a goal…not something I would ever want to see go away, for any reason. Keep it GA.
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:55 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Section 8er says:
    Monday, July 23, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    I like how many people on here are genuinely coming up with interesting and creative solutions to help figure this out. With that said, I have something of a reminder to share from someone in a very different position:

    Be so grateful for what you have. Please cherish every moment in that stand. I go to see my Fire wherever I can home and away- and I’ve had some great times- ones I’ll never forget. BUT, I know many of my fellow S8ers would agree that they would kill for what you guys have. I mean people waiting for hours to get in the section(s)?! I dread every match to see what the section(s) is going to look like 5 minutes before kick-off. (Some days it’s honestly dreadful folks.) Despite all that we’re very lucky to have some of the most passionate fans in the league even if we are sometimes fewer in number.
    Anyway, the point I’m trying to make is that I think you should fight for GA; fight for what makes TA TA! You’re the envy of much of the league and I love following your exploits whenever I can. Please for the sake of all of us, don’t let that die.

    P.S. To clarify, we’re GA here over 4 sections (though 117 & 118 comprise the crazy core of us).
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:56 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    Jered Nath says:
    Tuesday, July 24, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    It would totally destroy it for me if we went away from GA and ruin the experience that I have come to love
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  • 19 Jul 2016 9:56 PM | 107ist Admin (Administrator)
    timbergreg says:
    Wednesday, July 25, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    I was one of the originals in 107 in 2001. Even though I’ve moved to Sec 115 since the start of the MLS chapter of the Timbers, I feel that 107 (and all that encompasses the current GA model) should forever remain GA. It’s the ongoing spirit of the Army. Don’t like having to get there super early? Don’t like fighting for space? Don’t like drunks and smoke bombs? Tough shit. Go somewhere else.
    Just remember that there are card-carrying members of the 107ist in EVERY section of the stadium and they don’t need to feel shunned because they aren’t in the middle of the Timbers Army energy storm. This line: DON’T LET THE TIMBERS ARMY TURN INTO THE
    LIBRARY OR THE FREE-DONUT BRIGADE!!! is offensive. We all participate in our own way. Our section stands the entire match and we happily, and eagerly, give support to our club, There are 107ist members in the library and 107ist members eating the free donuts. We’re all in it together. Maybe find an alternative suggestion to what you don’t want the TA to turn into. Seattle and Columbus are glaring examples.
    Stay GA.
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